Comments on: LOTF Take 2: Chapters 7-9 http://rockridgeschools.org/wpsites/jduyvejonck/2010/02/04/lotf-take-2-chapters-7-9/ Updates on What's Going On Sun, 05 Sep 2010 20:26:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: Beckers http://rockridgeschools.org/wpsites/jduyvejonck/2010/02/04/lotf-take-2-chapters-7-9/comment-page-2/#comment-904 Beckers Wed, 10 Feb 2010 00:08:58 +0000 http://rockridgeschools.org/wpsites/jduyvejonck/?p=73#comment-904 Kelsey you make a good point. However, and you touched on this a little, we already know the people in our English class. Therefore the situation wouldn't really be the same. Not to mention the fact that we are all older than any of these boys. Many differences, but the point is still the same and I think you may have brought to attention a very important piece to this puzzle :) Kelsey you make a good point. However, and you touched on this a little, we already know the people in our English class. Therefore the situation wouldn’t really be the same. Not to mention the fact that we are all older than any of these boys. Many differences, but the point is still the same and I think you may have brought to attention a very important piece to this puzzle :)

]]> By: Kelsey Kay http://rockridgeschools.org/wpsites/jduyvejonck/2010/02/04/lotf-take-2-chapters-7-9/comment-page-2/#comment-903 Kelsey Kay Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:42:16 +0000 http://rockridgeschools.org/wpsites/jduyvejonck/?p=73#comment-903 Ok...It's pretty sad when you're sitting your house on a snow day with a trillion and one other things I could be doing but the first thought in my head is "You know, I think I'll go blog some more about Lord of the Flies"... yes I am that lame... Now I was thinking last night "What if we hypothetically put our Advanced English class on this same island" I thought maybe that would help with the whole "how the heck did the boys get this crazy??!?" question. Now I know this violates our NO GIRLS ON THE ISLAND rule but I think it's crucial to think about. I think we would have more Ralphs and Simons in our group than anyone else so maybe we wouldn't be as bad as the boys. I can think of someone who may have been a Jack but unfortunately, he is not with us anymore (Danielle, Kate, and Miki yes I AM referring to who we talked about in Peoria). But anyway, the point I'm trying to make is When we examine these characters, there is a crucial character missing. In most books there is a villain (JACK!!!!!) but there is also a hero(???). I don't think either Simon or Ralph or even Piggy could fill those shoes. They all have major flaws that keep them from saving the day. In our English classes sake, I think we would all fall into specific roles and we would know our duty...I;m pretty sure Hannah would be out leader since she's had the most years of experiance :) and then the rest of us would fall in to support each other the best we could. That's were the boys messed up. They were screwed from the very beginning when they elected stupid Ralph just because he had the stupid shell. But of course they didn't know then that Ralph wasn't a fit leader. In our classes case, we would have already known everyone's potential to lead. The boys were strangers therefore lost and confused so they appointed the first person that looked good. I mean who know! Maybe if they would have elected Jim or Carl, they would have been okay...we will never know...and I'm tired of typing... Ok…It’s pretty sad when you’re sitting your house on a snow day with a trillion and one other things I could be doing but the first thought in my head is “You know, I think I’ll go blog some more about Lord of the Flies”… yes I am that lame…
Now I was thinking last night “What if we hypothetically put our Advanced English class on this same island” I thought maybe that would help with the whole “how the heck did the boys get this crazy??!?” question. Now I know this violates our NO GIRLS ON THE ISLAND rule but I think it’s crucial to think about. I think we would have more Ralphs and Simons in our group than anyone else so maybe we wouldn’t be as bad as the boys. I can think of someone who may have been a Jack but unfortunately, he is not with us anymore (Danielle, Kate, and Miki yes I AM referring to who we talked about in Peoria). But anyway, the point I’m trying to make is When we examine these characters, there is a crucial character missing. In most books there is a villain (JACK!!!!!) but there is also a hero(???). I don’t think either Simon or Ralph or even Piggy could fill those shoes. They all have major flaws that keep them from saving the day. In our English classes sake, I think we would all fall into specific roles and we would know our duty…I;m pretty sure Hannah would be out leader since she’s had the most years of experiance :) and then the rest of us would fall in to support each other the best we could. That’s were the boys messed up. They were screwed from the very beginning when they elected stupid Ralph just because he had the stupid shell. But of course they didn’t know then that Ralph wasn’t a fit leader. In our classes case, we would have already known everyone’s potential to lead. The boys were strangers therefore lost and confused so they appointed the first person that looked good. I mean who know! Maybe if they would have elected Jim or Carl, they would have been okay…we will never know…and I’m tired of typing…

]]> By: Codey http://rockridgeschools.org/wpsites/jduyvejonck/2010/02/04/lotf-take-2-chapters-7-9/comment-page-2/#comment-902 Codey Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:55:02 +0000 http://rockridgeschools.org/wpsites/jduyvejonck/?p=73#comment-902 And to what Sam said... I totally agree/// The fact that Piggy joined in on the dance and the killing of Simon showsa that the beast is inside of everyone and if you are not strong enough it will get to you and overtake your humanity. And to what Sam said… I totally agree/// The fact that Piggy joined in on the dance and the killing of Simon showsa that the beast is inside of everyone and if you are not strong enough it will get to you and overtake your humanity.

]]> By: Codey http://rockridgeschools.org/wpsites/jduyvejonck/2010/02/04/lotf-take-2-chapters-7-9/comment-page-2/#comment-901 Codey Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:53:16 +0000 http://rockridgeschools.org/wpsites/jduyvejonck/?p=73#comment-901 I thimk that Simon slightly represents a sacraficial figure.... Slightly like Jesus. If you think aout it... they both die right after finding out major truths about humanit... the both die pretty sacraficial deaths... but jesus dies after he tells of what he knows and Simon didnt even get a chance to tell the others that the beast is really only alive inside of them. Maybe im crazy... IDK.. I thimk that Simon slightly represents a sacraficial figure…. Slightly like Jesus. If you think aout it… they both die right after finding out major truths about humanit… the both die pretty sacraficial deaths… but jesus dies after he tells of what he knows and Simon didnt even get a chance to tell the others that the beast is really only alive inside of them. Maybe im crazy… IDK..

]]> By: samantha http://rockridgeschools.org/wpsites/jduyvejonck/2010/02/04/lotf-take-2-chapters-7-9/comment-page-2/#comment-900 samantha Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:04:03 +0000 http://rockridgeschools.org/wpsites/jduyvejonck/?p=73#comment-900 Nichole- I never thought about that...that we never got attached to simon so we can't be that sad for him. I think we got more attached to him that we did or will most of the other boys though...so if it was that easy to kill simon then I feel there are going to be more murders. Especially if they get the crazy pants syndrome everytime they hunt!! I mean look how close they were to murdering robert earlier!! Nichole- I never thought about that…that we never got attached to simon so we can’t be that sad for him. I think we got more attached to him that we did or will most of the other boys though…so if it was that easy to kill simon then I feel there are going to be more murders. Especially if they get the crazy pants syndrome everytime they hunt!! I mean look how close they were to murdering robert earlier!!

]]> By: samantha http://rockridgeschools.org/wpsites/jduyvejonck/2010/02/04/lotf-take-2-chapters-7-9/comment-page-2/#comment-899 samantha Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:55:03 +0000 http://rockridgeschools.org/wpsites/jduyvejonck/?p=73#comment-899 Oh and I think the boys are so messed up in the head by this point, I don't think they're even going to care that they killed simon! In fact without adults being there they won't care. They said it in the beginning...without adults they can do whatever they want to do...I guess that includes murder!? Wow...and I don't know about anyone else, but I found it really weird that piggy was in on the whole dancing and then killing simon! I thought he was going to be the smart one on the island. But I guess it just goes to show that the devil or beast can get to anyone.. Oh and I think the boys are so messed up in the head by this point, I don’t think they’re even going to care that they killed simon! In fact without adults being there they won’t care. They said it in the beginning…without adults they can do whatever they want to do…I guess that includes murder!? Wow…and I don’t know about anyone else, but I found it really weird that piggy was in on the whole dancing and then killing simon! I thought he was going to be the smart one on the island. But I guess it just goes to show that the devil or beast can get to anyone..

]]> By: samantha http://rockridgeschools.org/wpsites/jduyvejonck/2010/02/04/lotf-take-2-chapters-7-9/comment-page-2/#comment-898 samantha Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:51:32 +0000 http://rockridgeschools.org/wpsites/jduyvejonck/?p=73#comment-898 Oh and I forgot to say that I think the boys are so messed up in the head by this point, I don't think they're even going to care that they killed simon! In fact without adults being there they won't care. They said it in the beginning...without adults they can do whatever they want to do...I guess that includes murder!? Wow...and I don't know about anyone else, but I found it really weird that piggy was in on the whole dancing and then killing simon! I thought he was going to be the smart one on the island. But I guess it just goes to show that the devil or beast can get to anyone.. Oh and I forgot to say that I think the boys are so messed up in the head by this point, I don’t think they’re even going to care that they killed simon! In fact without adults being there they won’t care. They said it in the beginning…without adults they can do whatever they want to do…I guess that includes murder!? Wow…and I don’t know about anyone else, but I found it really weird that piggy was in on the whole dancing and then killing simon! I thought he was going to be the smart one on the island. But I guess it just goes to show that the devil or beast can get to anyone..

]]> By: samantha http://rockridgeschools.org/wpsites/jduyvejonck/2010/02/04/lotf-take-2-chapters-7-9/comment-page-2/#comment-897 samantha Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:50:03 +0000 http://rockridgeschools.org/wpsites/jduyvejonck/?p=73#comment-897 Oh and I forgot to say that I think the boys are so messed up in the head by this point, I don't think they're even going to care that they killed simon! In fact without adults being there they won't care. They said it in the begining...without adults they can do whatever they want to do...I guess that includes murder!? Wow...and I don't know about anyone else, but I found it really weird that piggy was in on the whole dancing and then killing simon! I thought he was going to be the smart lne on the island. But I guess it just goes to show that the devil or beast can get to anyone.. Oh and I forgot to say that I think the boys are so messed up in the head by this point, I don’t think they’re even going to care that they killed simon! In fact without adults being there they won’t care. They said it in the begining…without adults they can do whatever they want to do…I guess that includes murder!? Wow…and I don’t know about anyone else, but I found it really weird that piggy was in on the whole dancing and then killing simon! I thought he was going to be the smart lne on the island. But I guess it just goes to show that the devil or beast can get to anyone..

]]> By: samantha http://rockridgeschools.org/wpsites/jduyvejonck/2010/02/04/lotf-take-2-chapters-7-9/comment-page-2/#comment-896 samantha Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:42:03 +0000 http://rockridgeschools.org/wpsites/jduyvejonck/?p=73#comment-896 Yea rachel..I was one to wait til last minute but its because of my computer! I got sick of trying to make it work so I'm on my phne now! Its probably going to show up way later in the day...but whatever. Anyway...so I totally agree with kelsey on simon kind of being a religious figure in the way that he couldn't spread the word that the beast is within them. And I think the "beast" within them does symblize the devil. Its making the boys think whatever they do is guna be right...including killing the beast that night which ended up being simon! Poor guy! :( Yea rachel..I was one to wait til last minute but its because of my computer! I got sick of trying to make it work so I’m on my phne now! Its probably going to show up way later in the day…but whatever.

Anyway…so I totally agree with kelsey on simon kind of being a religious figure in the way that he couldn’t spread the word that the beast is within them. And I think the “beast” within them does symblize the devil. Its making the boys think whatever they do is guna be right…including killing the beast that night which ended up being simon! Poor guy! :(

]]> By: Cyrus http://rockridgeschools.org/wpsites/jduyvejonck/2010/02/04/lotf-take-2-chapters-7-9/comment-page-2/#comment-895 Cyrus Tue, 09 Feb 2010 15:52:22 +0000 http://rockridgeschools.org/wpsites/jduyvejonck/?p=73#comment-895 Well...I'm thinking Cristina, Rachel, Cody, Nicole and Brittany were PRETTY sure last night that we weren't gonna have school today. LOL. Well…I’m thinking Cristina, Rachel, Cody, Nicole and Brittany were PRETTY sure last night that we weren’t gonna have school today. LOL.

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